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Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by matthewfarmery » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:43 pm

Im mentioning this game to make people aware of it, and the issues surrounding KS itself,

But now Im going to name it for a few reasons, as this KS is one very rotten and I MEAN ROTTEN apple.

Where to begin?
That is a tough one, West Games formed after the STALKER studio was closed, thing is, we have proof, only 1 of the West Games dev worked on STALKER for most of the project, the other two did a years work then left, and the other members of the team had nothing to do with stalker,

now that is out of the way, West Games have made a KS to ask for $50k which raises one of many red flags, WG claim they have pooled all of their money to make this game, but need 50k to finish it, this is a outright lie, as on a russian TV service, an interview was carried out, between the CEO, then later another version of the interview was leaked, and this said that the 50k will be used as a start up, to create a tech demo to raise more funds, to get the real cash. This is against the KS own rules.. so another red flag.

as the game is meant to be a spiritual successor to Stalker, and to be honest, I dont think they have a clue, on top of that promising to port the game to 6 platforms, and support 9 languages, and this by next year

that is just a breif summary of the issues,

Thing is, there are loads of things wrong with this KS, words fail me, poor updates, devs not commenting on the comments page since thhe 30 june, fake accounts created, and very likely fake pledges too, (that seems very likely now)

so you think with all this KS will step in right?

Wrong, they not lifted a frelling finger, and this has pretty much destroyed my faith in the platform, and now, to top it off, WG staff and friends are spamming their own comments section, and making out that some people (myself included) are trolls but they have done this since yesterday

in fact, they now claim they got an email from putin, that supports WG and Areal, but the spammers that are under WG employ, attacked the russians with insults and words and well its backfired. But we are still getting spam on the comments page,

this is turning into something more then a joke, but then again, if KS doesn't act, they will only lay the foundations for their own destruction, as people won't trust them anymore, not when rotten applies like areal are allowed to carry on, if you want to help, contact KS and ask them why they allow areal oon KS? Contact news sites and tell them about this. Because unless KS changes, then KS as a platform, as a means of trust will be no more.

Sure there been a few other bad apples, but this KS beats them all, and while yes there have been many KS games that haven't made it, but this isn't the point of this point, its while the KS is still in the funding stage, this is where KS needs to change, and right now, they are going to regret not stepping in if they don't do something soon, and meida sites start reporting the truth about this KS

here is the link, but please don't pledge or help fund this game

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1577656602/areal/comments

another thing, they did an AMA fairly recently, and that was another train wreck, more copy and paste then real answers

well my faith in KS is no more, unless KS wakes up and does something about areal, I dont think Im going to support anymore games on that platform

update

while the game has been funded, the issue is, its been funded by WG themselves, this has been the case for a while now, but it is a straight up scam, by allowing this KS is going to burn, they need to sit up and realise that scams like these will be more and more frequent, if they dont change things. yes the project has been reported, but little in return from KS itself.
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by Railboy » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:47 am

Yikes. Sounds pretty bad. Thanks for the heads up. If anything helps KS and Early Access (apart from good projects of course) it'll be people taking the time to circulate information like this.

I encourage anyone who reads this to double check matthewfarmery's work (not because he's untrustworthy but just because it's a good habit to get into) and see for yourself. I looked at the KS, the AMA and Polygon articles and overall I've got to agree it seems pretty fishy.

And the blacklist of trolls they put into their latest update raises more red flags than any of the actual red flags - who does that, honestly?
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by matthewfarmery » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:24 am

update 25 is another joke, they hit at forbes that have been covering the story for while, and VG247, and they also post their troll list,

thing is, everyone on the list have spoken out against thhe project,

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... rs-beware/

I backed 45 games, some have not done too well, others have including this one, I helped to spread the word against this KS for a llong time, and they hit back at the very backers they are asking money for? who in their right mind does that?

so the game is funded, but Im pretty sure its WG themselves that have funded it,

http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/157765 ... hart-daily

there is no way is that natural, of all the KS projects I have backed and seen, I havent seen such a push, and the comment spam happened right where the game got funded,

so really, KS needs to deal with this, but they aren't bothered, and to me, that makes any project more at risk been a scam now, as this iis where KS needs to protect us.

there iis something very fishy about this, and too me, to me this is eiither a scam, or major fraud, so maybe amazon will investigate,

the other thing is, backers know hardly annythig about the game, as from the AMA and when thhe devs did communicate 30 jun, its always been, read the updates, al your answers are there

http://www.matthewfarmery.net/AMA/roy.jpg

roy is one of the spammers, he revealed a few things before he left, seemed he is part of WG or close too, he even revealed, that Kim the CEO wasn't even present at the AMA, they were reading and replying from a piece of paper with answers on them, so only replying to questions they knew, so that was another lie, and against Reddit own rules, so they really messed up there,

the pledges must be fake, even if KS doesn't care, hopefully amazon will, once they realise that many of the pledges arent real,

I still think this a scam, otherwise they could have done as we suggested, come back later and do another, but they choose not too,

also this proves that the spamming is coming from WG themselves

http://matthewfarmery.net/AMA/WGFB.jpg

what a why to run a KS
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by Gazz » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:25 am

matthewfarmery wrote:http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/157765 ... hart-daily

there is no way is that natural, of all the KS projects I have backed and seen, I havent seen such a push, and the comment spam happened right where the game got funded,

It may even "work" because once the game is funded, you cannot remove a pledge that would make it unfunded.
Since it is funded now, it's possible that these mystery 25k will vanish incrementally, locking the money of everyone else.
Of course that would be a bit obvious so it's more likely these "pledges" will cancel at a later time.
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by matthewfarmery » Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:51 am

I think once it hits 24 hours your locked in, plus the email from KS, so going to be interesting how both backers and WG handle this,

but saying that, Im pretty sure they sunk a lot of money in this already, not just the 20k plus,
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by matthewfarmery » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:40 pm

AWESOME!!!!
the KS has been suspended! I say again, its history!!! finally KS saw sense and shut it down, not sure on the reason, but probably because they bork every rule in the boo, and well I pulled out, son can't comment.

but this has been a massive victory, Im sure Kim and co will be crying their eyes out for messing this one up:p

so its over, at least until there is another KS that smells like a scam. but areal is no more
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by Gazz » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:35 pm

I'm sure Mr. Putin will be disappointed.


BTW: You now have the honor of being an officially confirmed troll. I never made it that far. =/
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by matthewfarmery » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:59 pm

yes, I am, I just want to say that if it wasn't for the great support from my other troll friends, we wouldn't have got this far :D

Im going to start up a KS on make a automated biography and autograph signing, I only need 50k to do it, :D

but it was touch and go, but I got a feeling WG will come back again, when, not sure, but I dont think we heard the last of them
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by RyanASpan » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:35 am

Ha, I'm glad they finally got canned. Serves 'em right.

Really, what KS needs is a small fee to post a project, like Steam Greenlight. Even something as symbolic as $1 would keep many of the small-time clowns at bay. For the big-time clowns, more staff providing tougher enforcement against dodgy projects. They need to backers' money first rather than the desire for KS and Amazon to collect their sweet, sweet fee.
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Re: Areal Bad and worse then bad KS

PostPosted by matthewfarmery » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:08 pm

well, they started up a donation page for the game, but this is a scam, another game called space pioneer done by max, same surname to leo, well that failed and that project / devs setup a website for pre orders, but no game, so it looks like WG are still trying to get people to pledge for this none existent game, so spread the word, and don't pledge anything to these scammers
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